Dr. Ben Carson described the upcoming presidential debate as “one of the most consequential” in history, noting that voters will finally have the opportunity to hear Vice President Kamala Harris clearly articulate her beliefs after a series of policy reversals.

Carson, who served as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under former President Donald Trump, made these comments on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures.” He emphasized his high expectations for the debate, scheduled for Tuesday evening on ABC.

This will be the second debate of the 2024 general election cycle, following a June debate featuring Trump and President Joe Biden. After Biden’s faltering performance raised concerns among his allies, he faced significant pressure and eventually stepped aside.

“I think it’s going to be one of the most consequential debates ever, because people will finally get a chance to hear from Kamala Harris what she believes,” Carson said. “And all this business about flip-flopping, you have to wonder if she has really flipped-flopped, because she said that her values have not changed. So what kind of values are we talking about? Values that, as the DA in San Francisco, led to a policy where people can go into stores and take $900 worth of stuff with little or no consequences, or values that lead to not deporting drug dealers who are resulting in the death of American citizens? Or the kind of values that allow you to kill babies right up until the time of birth, and maybe even beyond that time, opposing legislation that would save babies that survive abortion attempts? You have to wonder about that — values that need you to mandate what kind of car people should drive, what kind of stoves they should have, as opposed to letting free market forces — so what you’re going to see in the debate is Donald Trump running on his past policies and Kamala Harris running away from her past policies. So it should make for a very, very interesting evening.”

Jason Chaffetz, a former Republican congressman from Utah, was filling in as guest host on “Futures” when Dr. Ben Carson made his comments about the upcoming presidential debate. Chaffetz responded to Carson, saying Harris might have to debate herself due to her position changes.

“Well, she has advocated that in the past. Of course, she will probably try to run away from it. Interestingly enough, those who are students of history know that Vladimir Lenin said that socialized medicine is the linchpin for socialism. This is the way that you bring it in. When you have control of people’s health, you have control of them. And we spend an enormous amount of money on health care in this country, more than any other country, $13,100 per capita per year,” Carson responded. “Can you imagine what you could do with that money in an efficient system, an efficient system that used health care savings accounts or something of that nature, where there was real accountability and transparency? Those are the kinds of things that obviously need to be talked about and explored to a much greater degree than we are now. But socialized medicine has only led to much poorer distribution of medicine everywhere it has been tried. And the same thing would happen in this country as well.”